[Jprogramming] Definition: Frame of an argument

[Henry Rich]

I agree.

But you sell yourself short: your advice is worth its weight in gold.  :)

Henry Rich

On 1/20/2016 3:24 PM, Roger Hui wrote:
> My free advice is to avoid the term "empty frame".  Too easily confused
> with the case where the frame (outer shape) has a 0.
>
> The phrase arose in the milieu where "empty array" was all the rage.
>   "Empty frame" made sense when a frame was the axes of an array left over
> after you've accounted for the cell.  Then the meaning of "frame" was
> changed to be the outer shape, but the meaning of "empty frame" was not
> similarly updated.
>
> My free advice is worth every penny.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 11:54 AM, robert therriault <bobtherriault at mac.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yep and it would have an empty frame, correct?
>>
>> One of the big challenges of being human is to be able to turn down the
>> pattern matching skills, so that patterns that do emerge are accurate. You
>> see item and atom and you think - Are those related because they differ by
>> one letter? Sometimes it helps, sometimes not so much.
>>
>> Cheers, bob
>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Raul Miller <rauldmiller at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the maximal cell would be the entire array?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Raul
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 2:20 PM, robert therriault
>>> <bobtherriault at mac.com> wrote:
>>>> Raul
>>>>
>>>> I took the non-trivial note on maximal to mean that there could be more
>> than one item in the cell. Maximal would be the entire cell. It does leave
>> the possibility that atoms could also be items though :-)
>>>> Cheers, bob
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 10:56 AM, Raul Miller <rauldmiller at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> I thought arrays could hold multiple items? (# counts items?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Raul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:17 PM, R.E. Boss <r.e.boss at outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Programming [mailto:programming-bounces at forums.jsoftware.com]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Roger Hui
>>>>>>> Sent: maandag 18 januari 2016 20:36
>>>>>>> To: Programming forum <programming at jsoftware.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] Definition: Frame of an argument
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Among old timers, "frame" has an historical ambiguity.
>>>>>> (...)
>>>>>>> To document
>>>>>>> the latter, Dyalog resurrected "outer shape".  Dyalog also
>> resurrected
>>>>>>> "major cell" because "item" already has an entrenched different
>> meaning in
>>>>>>> the APL2 family.
>>>>>> I always loved the analogy between "atom" and "item", short for the
>> minimal and maximal (non-trivial) cell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> R.E. Boss
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