Here - http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/3/13/20637/7052 - there are a couple mentions of K but none of J, at least that I see by quickly scanning the 15 pages of modded-up comments. -- Devon McCormick, CFA ^me^ at acm. org is my preferred e-mail